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Thursday, January 8, 2015

Je Suis Charlie : An Assault Against Democracy

Je Suis Charlie : An Assault Against Democracy

Je Suis Charlie

An Assault Against Democracy

"An assault on democracy": Thursday @guardian front page with former Le Monde editor Natalie Nougayrède

hyp0 20 hours ago | link

"Je n'ai pas peur des représailles. Je n'ai pas de gosses, pas de femme, pas de voiture, pas de crédit. ça fait sûrement un peu pompeux, mais je préfère mourir debout que vivre à genoux." - Charb, one of the murdered satirists
"I am not afraid of retaliation. I have no kids, no wife, no car, no mortgage. It surely is a bit dramatic but I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees" - translation fromhttp://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2rmgra/these_two_carto...
baby 20 hours ago | link

note that everyone is quoting Charb on this, sometimes just quoting the "I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees" that is actually him quoting someone else:
julie1 18 hours ago | link

weired in my old greek lessons it was already said to be the motto of Athen. http://chs.harvard.edu/CHS/article/display/3824
Maybe Zappata went to school and studied the story of Athen?
burkaman 15 hours ago | link

Did you mean to link to a different page? That one doesn't have anything like the Zapata quote.
majestic1211 13 hours ago | link

There is not the Zappata quote, but it still seems relevant :
"Finally, for the Homeric hero, aretê consisted of a set of qualities clustered around the readiness to fight a beautiful war and die a beautiful death."
"preferring to die in their own land rather than live to dwell in that of others"
_almosnow 15 hours ago | link

Cars and mortgages... the Greeks sure were really ahead of their time.
Edit: Yeah sure, downvote me instead of the guy that is posting nonsense...
gouggoug 20 hours ago | link

Some context for people wondering what this is about.
Wednesday 7th, at 11am, 3 people entered "Charlie Hebdo" a very well known French satirical newspaper and shot 12 people with kalashnikov. Charlie Hebdo is also known, for their caricatures of the prophet Mahomet.
"Je Suis Charlie" means, "I Am Charlie" and is a message of support to the newspaper.
This is obviously a very short sum-up.
tribaal 19 hours ago | link

Just a small precision (I am French and following media closely):
- Two people assaulted the office, and killed 10, wounded 11 (4 of which considered critical).
- They furthermore killed 2 police officers on their way out, one of them point blank as he lay wounded and was asking for mercy (do yourself a favor and don't look at that witness video. I mean it. NSFL).
- They are on the loose and are reported armed with automatic weapons and a rocket launcher. No kidding.
- Their car was found in a suburban ghetto (Pantin, in Seine-saint-denis)
Sorry for the gory details.
arcatek 18 hours ago | link

It's important to also note that they have killed four of the main illustrators of the paper. It will be very hard for them to overcome that.
However, the others french papers are trying to help the redaction, so maybe Charlie will live.
sacado2 16 hours ago | link

It will probably survive, actually. Many people will buy the journal in the next few weeks, even if they never read it before. There are many talentuous cartoonists that can help for a few months if needed. And even without that, how could the French government let that journal fail in the next weeks ? It would be a very negative symbol; that would mean "they" won.
jknz 20 hours ago | link

People are going in the streets to support the newspaper in France and other European cities, a map is available here: http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/carte-interactive-tous...
A noticeable fact is how mainstream newspapers in France are careful not to make the amalgam between these few barbarians and a whole religion.


Emiliano Zapata


I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
Emiliano Zapata Salazar (8 August 1879 – 10 April 1919) was a leading figure in the Mexican Revolution against the dictatorship of Porfirio Díaz which broke out in 1910.

    • I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.
      • As quoted in Liberation Theologies in North America and Europe‎ (1979) by Gerald H. Anderson and Thomas F. Stransky, p. 281; this is sometimes misattributed to the more modern revolutionary, Che Guevara, and to "La Pasionaria" Dolores Ibárruri, especially in Spain, where she popularized it in her famous speeches during the Spanish Civil War, to José Martí, and toAeschylus who is credited with a similar declaration in Prometheus Bound: "For it would be better to die once and for all than to suffer pain for all one's life." The phrase "better that we should die on our feet rather than live on our knees" was spoken byFrançois-Noël Gracchus Babeuf in his defence of the Conspiracy of Equals in April 1797. In French it read, 'Ne vaut-il pas mieux emporter la glorie de n'avoir pas survecu a la servitude?' but transliterated this bears no resemblance whatever to the quote under discussion. see: The Defense of Gracchus Babeuf Before the High Court of Vendome (1967), edited and translated by John Anthony Scott, p. 88 and p. 90, n. 12.
    • Spanish variants:
    • ¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
      • I'd prefer to die standing, than to live always on my knees.
        • As quoted in Operación Cobra : historia de una gesta romántica (1988) by Alvaro Pablo Ortiz and Oscar Lara, p. 29
    • Variant translations:
      • Men of the South! It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!
        • With an extension, as quoted in Timeless Mexico (1944) by Hudson Strode, p. 259
      • I would rather die standing than live on my knees!
      • It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!
      • I prefer to die standing than to live forever kneeling.
      • Prefer death on your feet to living on your knees.
  • La tierra es de quien la trabaja con sus manos.
    • The land belongs to those who work it with their hands.
      • Quoted as a slogan of the revolutionaries in Shirt-Sleeve Diplomat (1947) Vol. 5, p. 199, by Josephus Daniels, and specifically attributed to Zapata by Ángel Zúñiga in 1998, as quoted in Mexican Social Movements and the Transition to Democracy (2005), by John Stolle-McAllister
  • Ignorance and obscurantism have never produced anything other than flocks of slaves for tyranny.
    • Remarks in regard to Pancho Villa, as quoted in The Unknown Lore of Amexem's Indigenous People : An Aboriginal Treatise (2008) by Noble Timothy Myers-El, p. 158

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